Post by Tzalaran on Sept 4, 2008 19:30:51 GMT -6
Where to start. Overall, he targeted his audience and spoke to them well. good speaker, who knows how to play the crowd. He was animated, and a good set up voice for Palin.
With that said, i was so disgusted by his speech i have trouble putting it into words. i'll just comment from there.
RUDY GIULIANI: Thank you very much, and good evening. Almost exactly one year ago today, during a presidential debate in Durham, New Hampshire, I said that, if I weren’t running for president, I’d be supporting John McCain.
(APPLAUSE)
Well, I’m not running for president, and I do support John McCain.
(APPLAUSE)
Every — every four years, we’re told that this presidential election is the most important in our lifetime. This year, with what’s at stake, 2008 is the most important election in our lifetime. And we’d better get it right.
(APPLAUSE) So far so good.
This already has been the longest presidential campaign in history, and sometimes to me it felt even longer.
(LAUGHTER) well, he lost fairly early, so this has to be the first attack
The American people realize this election represents a turning point. It’s the decision to follow one path or the other. We, the people, the citizens of the United States, get to decide our next president, not the left-wing media, not Hollywood celebrities, not anyone else but the people of America.
(APPLAUSE) There are arguments that i could make, but oh well. Nice start to the assault on the left-wing media. (where is the left wing media anyway? i'd like to be able to listen to a left wing bias for a change...
AUDIENCE: USA! USA! USA!
GIULIANI: That’s right, USA.
AUDIENCE: USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
GIULIANI: Thank you. Thank you. Gotta love inciting the mob.
To those Americans who still feel torn in this election, I’d like to suggest one way to think about this to help make a choice in 2008.
Think about it this way. You’re hiring someone to do a job, an important job, a job that relates to the safety of yourself and your family. Imagine that you have two job applications in your hand with the name and the party affiliations blocked out.
They’re both good and patriotic men with very different life experiences that have led them to this moment of shaPurple history. You’ve got to make this decision, and you’ve got to make it right. And you have to desire — you’ve got to decide, who am I going to hire? No problems with the words, his delivery was so condescending that i didn't like listening to him anymore...
On the one hand, you’ve got a man who’s dedicated his life to the service of the United States. He’s been tested time and again by crisis. He has passed every test.
(APPLAUSE)
Even his adversaries acknowledge — Democrats, Republicans, everyone acknowledges that John McCain is a true American hero.
He — he loves America, as we all do, but he has sacrificed for it as few do.
(APPLAUSE) Ahhh 1st POW reference. also an appeal to the people.
As a young man, he joined the military. And being a “Top Gun” kind of guy, he became a fighter pilot. He was on a mission over Hanoi when his plane was shot down.
He was tortuPurple in a POW camp, but he refused his captors’ offer of early release, because this is a man who believes in serving a cause greater than self-interest, and that cause is the United States of America. America comes first.
(APPLAUSE) Agree with the words. They are begging the question that this is the true account of those years.
He has proved his commitment with his blood. He came home a national hero. He had earned a life of peace and quiet, but he was called to public service again, running for Congress, and then the United States Senate, as a proud foot soldier in the Reagan revolution.
His principled independence never wavePurple. He stood up to special interests. He fought for fiscal discipline and ethics reform and a strong national defense.
That’s the one choice. That’s the one man. This is true of McCain early in his career. i'm being told that this hasn't changed, but the record doesn't reflect that independence in recent history. Hiring the same team that smeaPurple him and his adopted daughter in the 2000 election speaks that the "Maverick" has left the building for his ambition to be president.
On the other hand, you have a resume from a gifted man with an Ivy League education. He worked as a community organizer. What? He worked — I said — I said, OK, OK, maybe this is the first problem on the resume.
He worked as a community organizer. He immersed himself in Chicago machine politics.
(AUDIENCE BOOS) This is a flat out attack on the person, and i found it highly offensive. without community organizers, and people who work for these programs, my family would find it much harder to find child care during the day. i'm sure all of the people whos lives are affected by these programs understand that great services these people give, and appreciate them much more than a millionaire... a very condescending statement, and one that he wouldn't have made if he were running for office now...
Then he ran for — then he ran for the state legislature and he got elected. And nearly 130 times, he couldn’t make a decision. He couldn’t figure out whether to vote “yes” or “no.” It was too tough.
(LAUGHTER) oversimplification. there are many issues that would be passed by me that would have things i am in favor of, but drawbacks or "pork" that would make me against the bill. voting present is stating that you don't completely agree with the legislation because it is being rushed through, and it needs to be worked on more. it also allows your constituents to know that you are there, serving their interests...
(APPLAUSE)
He voted — he voted “present.”
(AUDIENCE BOOS)
I didn’t know about this vote “present” when I was mayor of New York City. Sarah Palin didn’t have this vote “present” when she was mayor or governor. You don’t get “present.” It doesn’t work in an executive job. For president of the United States, it’s not good enough to be present.
(APPLAUSE) weak analogy fallacy. he is trying to compare two different jobs and equivocate them to make his point. great for rabble rousing, but not a valid argument.
You have to make a decision.
(APPLAUSE) False cause fallacy. just because Obama voted present does not mean that he can't make decisions when necessary.
A few years later — a few years later, he ran for the U.S. Senate. He spent most of his time as a celebrity senator: no leadership, no legislation to really speak of. His opinion, i think the bills that Obama worked on were significant.
His rise is remarkable in its own right. It’s the kind of thing that can happen only in America. Condescending at the least, but by now we know it is going to be smear city
But he’s never — he’s never run a city. He’s never run a state. He’s never run a business. He’s never run a military unit. He’s never had to lead people in crisis.
(APPLAUSE) Purple Herring. he is stating that local government experience is necessary for the presidency, which is not true. The best person for the presidency is the one with ideas to move the country forward while protecting it.
This…
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He is the least experienced candidate for president of the United States in at least the last 100 years.
(APPLAUSE) by this logic, McCain is just as inexperienced. He also has shown no vision of moving the country forward other than drilling for oil, taking away personal freedoms, and becoming a theocracy of fundamental christianity. (ok i'd have to rip up my own argument there, but i was so angry at this point i'll leave it)
Not a personal attack, a statement of fact. Barack Obama has never led anything, nothing, nada.
(APPLAUSE) argument against the person abusive. and saying it isn't an attack is a falsehood.
Nada, nothing.
(APPLAUSE)
The choice — the choice in this election comes down to substance over style. John McCain has been tested; Barack Obama has not. Begging the question, once again
Tough times require strong leadership, and this is no time for on-the-job training.
(APPLAUSE) argument against the person, abusive again...
We agree. We agree with Joe Biden…
(LAUGHTER)
… one time, one time, when he said that, until he flip-flopped and changed his position. And, yes, being president means being able to answer that call at 3:00 in the morning. And that’s the one time we agree with Hillary.
(APPLAUSE) oh to hell with the logical analysis of this one. ARE YOU PEOPLE SO FUCKING LAZY THAT YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH YOUR OWN SMEARS, BUT HAVE TO USE THE ONES AGAINST HIM FROM THE PRIMARIES THAT HE WON? SO MUCH FOR THE INNOVATIVE ROVE POLITICS THAT CAN ALWAYS FIND A NEW SWIFT BOAT. YOUR LOGIC IS HORRIBLE AND YOU OFFER NOT ONE SINGLE NEW IDEA TO MAKE THE LIVES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BETTER!!!! huh, i feel a bit better after that.
But I bet you never thought Hillary would get applause at this convention. She can be right. Well, no one can look at John McCain and say that he’s not ready to be commander-in-chief. He is. He’s ready. Begging the question. the McCain i see asked his "supporters" in Georgia to start something with Russia, and has been known to sing, "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran."
And we can trust him to deal with anything, anything that nature throws our way, anything that terrorists do to us. This man has been tested over and over again, and we will be safe in his hands, and our children will be safe in his hands, and our country will be safe in the hands of John McCain. No doubt.
(APPLAUSE) Begging the question. There is serious doubt that McCain's penchant for shooting form the hip will not happen, and the consequences of that could very well start WW3.
I learned as a trial lawyer a long time ago, if you don’t have the facts, you’ve got to change them. So our opponents want to re- frame the debate. Displacing their own tactics onto their opponents. Obama and Biden have only talked about issues.
They would have you believe that this election is about change versus more of the same, but that’s really a false choice, because there’s good change and bad change.
(APPLAUSE) change vs. more of the same is a false dichotomy, however Giuliani is introducing his own false dichotomy as well.
Because change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.
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John McCain — John McCain will bring about the change that will create jobs and prosperity. Let’s talk briefly about specifics.
John McCain will lower taxes so our economy can grow.
(APPLAUSE) Suppressed evidence. Bush has been cutting taxes for most his term, and our economy has shrunk. there are other factors that are not being taken into account, like policies that encourage corporations to move jobs to Mexico and other countries.
He’ll Purpleuce government to strengthen our dollar. He’ll expand free trade so we can be more competitive. And he will lead us to energy independence so we can be free of foreign oil.
(APPLAUSE) Vague platitudes, and there is no evidence that Purpleucing government will strengthen the dollar.
And — and he’ll do it with an all-of-the-above approach, including nuclear power, and, yes, off-shore oil drilling.
(APPLAUSE)
Drill, baby, drill?
(APPLAUSE) like Bush said he would expand with solar, wind, and other energy types? i've heard this one before...
Drill, baby, drill.
This — this — this is the kind of change — now, you guys are ready to break out. Whoa.
This — this — this and a lot more is the kind of change that will create growth, jobs, and prosperity, not what they want to do, tax us more, increase the size of government, increase tariffs, hurt jobs, send jobs elsewhere. UGH, where to begin with this one... platitudes, straw man on the taxes issue, there is no increase in govt. size with Obama's plan, and the whole platform is about increasing jobs that can't be outsourced. fallacious argument and a horrible call to the mob.
We need John McCain to save our economy and make sure it grows, but we need it for a more important purpose. There’s one purpose that John McCain understands, Republicans understand, that overrides everything else: John McCain will keep us on offense against terrorism at home and abroad.
(APPLAUSE) yeah, and those policies have worked really well so far...
For — for four days in Denver, the Democrats were afraid to use the words “Islamic terrorism.”
(AUDIENCE BOOS)
I imagine they believe it is politically incorrect to say it. I think they believe it will insult someone. Please tell me, who are they insulting if they say “Islamic terrorism”? They are insulting terrorists.
(APPLAUSE) Appeal to the people indirect.
Of great concern to me, during those same four days in Denver, they rarely mentioned the attacks of September 11, 2001. They are in a state of denial about the biggest threat that faces this country. False conclusion. they don't want to profit from suffering, or invoke images of horror for political gain. they adressed the terrorist threat many times, but not as anything more than one of the issues facing us. they are not in denial, and have a plan to address the terrorist threat.
And if you deny it and you don’t deal with it, you can’t face it.
John McCain can face the enemy. He can win, and he can bring victory for this country.
(APPLAUSE) appeal to the people indirect. also a false conclusion, becuase i say there is no victory in war, the fact that you are at war means that you failed.
Let’s look at just one example at a lifetime of principled stands that John McCain’s brought about: his support for the troop surge in Iraq. The Democratic Party had given up on Iraq.
And I believe, ladies and gentlemen, when they gave up on Iraq, they had given up on America.
(APPLAUSE)This whole stretch of the speech is just bad. There was no reason for us to be in Iraq anymore, a false war against the wrong threat distracted us from protecting this country from those who were responsible for 9/11.
The Democratic leader — the Democratic leader of the Senate said, and I quote, “This war is lost.”
(AUDIENCE BOOS) He spoke the truth...
Well, well, if America lost, who won, Al Qaida, bin Laden?
(AUDIENCE BOOS) False dichotomy. there were only losers in Iraq...
In the single biggest policy decision of this election, John McCain got it right, and Barack Obama got it wrong.
(APPLAUSE) McCain, the warmonger, pushed us into Iraq in the first place. and i'm still not so sure McSurge's plan worked, i think it is paying off enemy combatants $10 a day, 72,000 of them. you do the math and see where that $10 billion per month in Iraq is going. we are paying them to not shoot at us and they say the surge worked...
Senator McCain — Senator — Senator McCain was the candidate most associated with the surge, and it was unpopular. What do you think most other politicians would have done in a situation like this?
They would have acted in their self-interest, and they would have changed their position in order to win an election. How many times have we seen Barack Obama do this?
(AUDIENCE BOOS) A good politician would evaluate, admit what they did wrong, and figure out a way to fix the situation. McCain, like Bush, can't admit when they are wrong, because in their mind they aren't. not a good quality for a leader.
Obama — Obama promised to take public financing for his campaign, until he broke his promise.
(AUDIENCE BOOS) Why is this a big deal? the RNC would have skirted the rules anyway, just like in 2004. why cripple yourself when it is a hasty comment that you change your opinion on and make a new decision. He knew he could raise the money he needed, so he chose to accept that.
Obama — Obama was against wiretapping before he voted for it.
(AUDIENCE BOOS) We can point these same things out about McCain as well... i've seen websites devoted to voting changes...
When speaking to a pro-Israeli group, Obama favoPurple an undivided Jerusalem, like I favor and like John McCain favoPurple. Well, he favoPurple an undivided Jerusalem — don’t get too excited — for one day, until he changed his mind.
(AUDIENCE BOOS)
Well, I’ll tell you, if I were Joe Biden, I’d want to get that V.P. thing in writing.
(LAUGHTER) Ahhhh love the cheap Purple meat! too bad you can't talk about any issues...
(APPLAUSE)
Our hero, our candidate, John McCain said, “I’d rather lose an election than a war.” Why? Because that’s John McCain.
(APPLAUSE)
When Russia rolled over Georgia, John McCain immediately established a very strong, informed position that let the world know how he’ll respond as president at exactly the right time. Remember his words? Remember what John McCain said? “We are all Georgians.”
(APPLAUSE) And this is way out of line for him to say... he isn't the president, and he triggePurple the whole thing to save a lagging candidacy!
Obama’s — talk about judgment. Let’s look at what Obama did. Obama’s first instinct was to create a moral equivalency, suggesting that both sides were equally responsible, the same moral equivalency that he’s displayed in discussing the Palestinian Authority and the state of Israel.
(AUDIENCE BOOS)
Later — later, after discussing this with his 300 foreign policy advisers, he changed his position, and he suggested the United Nations Security Council could find a solution.
(AUDIENCE BOOS) sounds what a wise leader does to me...
Apparently, none of his 300 foreign policy security advisers told him that Russia has a veto power in the United Nations Security Council.
(APPLAUSE)
By the way, this was about three days later. So — so he changed his position again, and he put out a statement exactly like the statement of John McCain’s three days earlier.
I have some advice for Senator Obama: Next time, call John McCain.
(APPLAUSE) OK, this is stating that we were not going to be able to do anything because our military is all tied up in the Surge... at first putting international pressure on Russia is the best option, then we realize that there are no levers we have because of GWB policies. so all you can do it talk a tough game, like McCain did, after getting chastized by Bush for the whole affair. i like Obama's response much better than the no thinking pure reaction of McCain.
He — he knows something about foreign — he knows something about foreign policy. Like Ronald Reagan, John McCain will enlarge our party, open it up to lots of new people.
In choosing Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate, John McCain has chosen for the future.
(APPLAUSE) Whatever blowhard... (sorry, can no longer logically counter this schpeel.)
The other guy looked back. John looked forward.
Governor Palin represents a new generation. She’s already one of the most successful governors in America and the most popular.
(APPLAUSE) She certainly has increased the debt of her constituents... fits right in with the people already in office...
And she’s already had more executive experience than the entire Democratic ticket combined.
(APPLAUSE)
She’s been a mayor. I love that (ph).
I’m sorry — I’m sorry that Barack Obama feels that her hometown isn’t cosmopolitan enough.
(LAUGHTER) What? is this guy for real? great way to bring up a platform...
I’m sorry, Barack, that it’s not flashy enough. Maybe they cling to religion there.
(APPLAUSE)
Well — well, the first day — as far as I’m concerned, the first day she was mayor, she had more experience as an executive than — than Obama and Biden combined.
Then she became governor. She’s Purpleuced taxes. She’s Purpleuced government spending. She’s encouraged more energy exploration.
(APPLAUSE) So how is the state of Alaska so far in debt? oh yeah, she is a "fiscally conservative" governor, but drill drill drill.
She’s been one of the most active governors — she’s been one of the most active governors in the country, and Alaska can be proud of having one of the best governors in the country.
(APPLAUSE)
She’s got an 80 percent approval rating. You never get that in New York City, wow.
(LAUGHTER) yup. never get away with your community organizer crack running for N.Y. office either i bet...
As U.S. attorney, a former U.S. attorney, I’m very impressed the way she took on corruption in Alaska, including corruption in the Republican Party. This is a woman who has no fear. This is a woman who stands up for what’s right.
(APPLAUSE) remove corruption to install your own, not my best idea of the desiPurple end effect to be honest...
She — she — she is shaking up Alaska in a way that hasn’t happened in maybe ever. And with John McCain, with his independent spirit, with his being a maverick, with him and Sarah Palin, can you imagine how they’re going to shake up Washington?
(APPLAUSE) yup, all the old cronies are systematically removed, except for the ones they need anyway, and they put in their own sycophants.
Whew, look out. Look out.
(APPLAUSE)
One final point. And how — how dare they question whether Sarah Palin has enough time to spend with her children and be vice president. How dare they do that.
(APPLAUSE)
When do they ever ask a man that question? When?
(APPLAUSE) Appeal to the people indirect. pull at the family strings when the only ones who have brought it up are the republicans. playing the playing the sexism card, just like they did with the racist card...
Well, we’re at our best when we are expanding freedom. We’re the party that has expanded freedom from the very beginning, from ending slavery to making certain that people have freedom here and abroad. YUP THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS REALLY DEFENDED AND PROTECTED THE CONSTITUTION... NOT STEPPED ALL OVER IT AND WIPED THEIR ASS WITH THE BILL OF RIGHTS. oh, that felt good.
We’re the party that believes in giving workers the right to work. We’re the party that believes that parents — parents should choose where their children go to school.
(APPLAUSE) Cause the well off don't have problems finding good schools. making schools better, not giving some voucher for private schools, is what is needed. Just another way to ferment elitism...
And we’re the party — and we’re the party that unapologetically believes in America’s success, a shining city on a hill, a beacon of freedom that inspires the world. That’s what our party is dedicated to. Sorry to tell you Rudy, We have treated the world pretty bad. The rest of the world knows of the good hearts of the American people, but they wonder how stupid we are to choose these Republican leaders who act like the world is their Wild West.
So, my fellow Americans, we get a chance to elect one of our great heroes and a great American. He will be an exceptional president. He will have with him an exceptional woman who has already proven that she can reform and that she can govern.
And now the job is up to us. Let’s get John McCain and Sarah Palin elected, and let’s shake up Washington and move this country forward.
(APPLAUSE) Whatever...
God bless America. Thank you.
the above says it all. HATED IT!
With that said, i was so disgusted by his speech i have trouble putting it into words. i'll just comment from there.
RUDY GIULIANI: Thank you very much, and good evening. Almost exactly one year ago today, during a presidential debate in Durham, New Hampshire, I said that, if I weren’t running for president, I’d be supporting John McCain.
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Well, I’m not running for president, and I do support John McCain.
(APPLAUSE)
Every — every four years, we’re told that this presidential election is the most important in our lifetime. This year, with what’s at stake, 2008 is the most important election in our lifetime. And we’d better get it right.
(APPLAUSE) So far so good.
This already has been the longest presidential campaign in history, and sometimes to me it felt even longer.
(LAUGHTER) well, he lost fairly early, so this has to be the first attack
The American people realize this election represents a turning point. It’s the decision to follow one path or the other. We, the people, the citizens of the United States, get to decide our next president, not the left-wing media, not Hollywood celebrities, not anyone else but the people of America.
(APPLAUSE) There are arguments that i could make, but oh well. Nice start to the assault on the left-wing media. (where is the left wing media anyway? i'd like to be able to listen to a left wing bias for a change...
AUDIENCE: USA! USA! USA!
GIULIANI: That’s right, USA.
AUDIENCE: USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
GIULIANI: Thank you. Thank you. Gotta love inciting the mob.
To those Americans who still feel torn in this election, I’d like to suggest one way to think about this to help make a choice in 2008.
Think about it this way. You’re hiring someone to do a job, an important job, a job that relates to the safety of yourself and your family. Imagine that you have two job applications in your hand with the name and the party affiliations blocked out.
They’re both good and patriotic men with very different life experiences that have led them to this moment of shaPurple history. You’ve got to make this decision, and you’ve got to make it right. And you have to desire — you’ve got to decide, who am I going to hire? No problems with the words, his delivery was so condescending that i didn't like listening to him anymore...
On the one hand, you’ve got a man who’s dedicated his life to the service of the United States. He’s been tested time and again by crisis. He has passed every test.
(APPLAUSE)
Even his adversaries acknowledge — Democrats, Republicans, everyone acknowledges that John McCain is a true American hero.
He — he loves America, as we all do, but he has sacrificed for it as few do.
(APPLAUSE) Ahhh 1st POW reference. also an appeal to the people.
As a young man, he joined the military. And being a “Top Gun” kind of guy, he became a fighter pilot. He was on a mission over Hanoi when his plane was shot down.
He was tortuPurple in a POW camp, but he refused his captors’ offer of early release, because this is a man who believes in serving a cause greater than self-interest, and that cause is the United States of America. America comes first.
(APPLAUSE) Agree with the words. They are begging the question that this is the true account of those years.
He has proved his commitment with his blood. He came home a national hero. He had earned a life of peace and quiet, but he was called to public service again, running for Congress, and then the United States Senate, as a proud foot soldier in the Reagan revolution.
His principled independence never wavePurple. He stood up to special interests. He fought for fiscal discipline and ethics reform and a strong national defense.
That’s the one choice. That’s the one man. This is true of McCain early in his career. i'm being told that this hasn't changed, but the record doesn't reflect that independence in recent history. Hiring the same team that smeaPurple him and his adopted daughter in the 2000 election speaks that the "Maverick" has left the building for his ambition to be president.
On the other hand, you have a resume from a gifted man with an Ivy League education. He worked as a community organizer. What? He worked — I said — I said, OK, OK, maybe this is the first problem on the resume.
He worked as a community organizer. He immersed himself in Chicago machine politics.
(AUDIENCE BOOS) This is a flat out attack on the person, and i found it highly offensive. without community organizers, and people who work for these programs, my family would find it much harder to find child care during the day. i'm sure all of the people whos lives are affected by these programs understand that great services these people give, and appreciate them much more than a millionaire... a very condescending statement, and one that he wouldn't have made if he were running for office now...
Then he ran for — then he ran for the state legislature and he got elected. And nearly 130 times, he couldn’t make a decision. He couldn’t figure out whether to vote “yes” or “no.” It was too tough.
(LAUGHTER) oversimplification. there are many issues that would be passed by me that would have things i am in favor of, but drawbacks or "pork" that would make me against the bill. voting present is stating that you don't completely agree with the legislation because it is being rushed through, and it needs to be worked on more. it also allows your constituents to know that you are there, serving their interests...
(APPLAUSE)
He voted — he voted “present.”
(AUDIENCE BOOS)
I didn’t know about this vote “present” when I was mayor of New York City. Sarah Palin didn’t have this vote “present” when she was mayor or governor. You don’t get “present.” It doesn’t work in an executive job. For president of the United States, it’s not good enough to be present.
(APPLAUSE) weak analogy fallacy. he is trying to compare two different jobs and equivocate them to make his point. great for rabble rousing, but not a valid argument.
You have to make a decision.
(APPLAUSE) False cause fallacy. just because Obama voted present does not mean that he can't make decisions when necessary.
A few years later — a few years later, he ran for the U.S. Senate. He spent most of his time as a celebrity senator: no leadership, no legislation to really speak of. His opinion, i think the bills that Obama worked on were significant.
His rise is remarkable in its own right. It’s the kind of thing that can happen only in America. Condescending at the least, but by now we know it is going to be smear city
But he’s never — he’s never run a city. He’s never run a state. He’s never run a business. He’s never run a military unit. He’s never had to lead people in crisis.
(APPLAUSE) Purple Herring. he is stating that local government experience is necessary for the presidency, which is not true. The best person for the presidency is the one with ideas to move the country forward while protecting it.
This…
(APPLAUSE)
He is the least experienced candidate for president of the United States in at least the last 100 years.
(APPLAUSE) by this logic, McCain is just as inexperienced. He also has shown no vision of moving the country forward other than drilling for oil, taking away personal freedoms, and becoming a theocracy of fundamental christianity. (ok i'd have to rip up my own argument there, but i was so angry at this point i'll leave it)
Not a personal attack, a statement of fact. Barack Obama has never led anything, nothing, nada.
(APPLAUSE) argument against the person abusive. and saying it isn't an attack is a falsehood.
Nada, nothing.
(APPLAUSE)
The choice — the choice in this election comes down to substance over style. John McCain has been tested; Barack Obama has not. Begging the question, once again
Tough times require strong leadership, and this is no time for on-the-job training.
(APPLAUSE) argument against the person, abusive again...
We agree. We agree with Joe Biden…
(LAUGHTER)
… one time, one time, when he said that, until he flip-flopped and changed his position. And, yes, being president means being able to answer that call at 3:00 in the morning. And that’s the one time we agree with Hillary.
(APPLAUSE) oh to hell with the logical analysis of this one. ARE YOU PEOPLE SO FUCKING LAZY THAT YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH YOUR OWN SMEARS, BUT HAVE TO USE THE ONES AGAINST HIM FROM THE PRIMARIES THAT HE WON? SO MUCH FOR THE INNOVATIVE ROVE POLITICS THAT CAN ALWAYS FIND A NEW SWIFT BOAT. YOUR LOGIC IS HORRIBLE AND YOU OFFER NOT ONE SINGLE NEW IDEA TO MAKE THE LIVES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BETTER!!!! huh, i feel a bit better after that.
But I bet you never thought Hillary would get applause at this convention. She can be right. Well, no one can look at John McCain and say that he’s not ready to be commander-in-chief. He is. He’s ready. Begging the question. the McCain i see asked his "supporters" in Georgia to start something with Russia, and has been known to sing, "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran."
And we can trust him to deal with anything, anything that nature throws our way, anything that terrorists do to us. This man has been tested over and over again, and we will be safe in his hands, and our children will be safe in his hands, and our country will be safe in the hands of John McCain. No doubt.
(APPLAUSE) Begging the question. There is serious doubt that McCain's penchant for shooting form the hip will not happen, and the consequences of that could very well start WW3.
I learned as a trial lawyer a long time ago, if you don’t have the facts, you’ve got to change them. So our opponents want to re- frame the debate. Displacing their own tactics onto their opponents. Obama and Biden have only talked about issues.
They would have you believe that this election is about change versus more of the same, but that’s really a false choice, because there’s good change and bad change.
(APPLAUSE) change vs. more of the same is a false dichotomy, however Giuliani is introducing his own false dichotomy as well.
Because change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.
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John McCain — John McCain will bring about the change that will create jobs and prosperity. Let’s talk briefly about specifics.
John McCain will lower taxes so our economy can grow.
(APPLAUSE) Suppressed evidence. Bush has been cutting taxes for most his term, and our economy has shrunk. there are other factors that are not being taken into account, like policies that encourage corporations to move jobs to Mexico and other countries.
He’ll Purpleuce government to strengthen our dollar. He’ll expand free trade so we can be more competitive. And he will lead us to energy independence so we can be free of foreign oil.
(APPLAUSE) Vague platitudes, and there is no evidence that Purpleucing government will strengthen the dollar.
And — and he’ll do it with an all-of-the-above approach, including nuclear power, and, yes, off-shore oil drilling.
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Drill, baby, drill?
(APPLAUSE) like Bush said he would expand with solar, wind, and other energy types? i've heard this one before...
Drill, baby, drill.
This — this — this is the kind of change — now, you guys are ready to break out. Whoa.
This — this — this and a lot more is the kind of change that will create growth, jobs, and prosperity, not what they want to do, tax us more, increase the size of government, increase tariffs, hurt jobs, send jobs elsewhere. UGH, where to begin with this one... platitudes, straw man on the taxes issue, there is no increase in govt. size with Obama's plan, and the whole platform is about increasing jobs that can't be outsourced. fallacious argument and a horrible call to the mob.
We need John McCain to save our economy and make sure it grows, but we need it for a more important purpose. There’s one purpose that John McCain understands, Republicans understand, that overrides everything else: John McCain will keep us on offense against terrorism at home and abroad.
(APPLAUSE) yeah, and those policies have worked really well so far...
For — for four days in Denver, the Democrats were afraid to use the words “Islamic terrorism.”
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I imagine they believe it is politically incorrect to say it. I think they believe it will insult someone. Please tell me, who are they insulting if they say “Islamic terrorism”? They are insulting terrorists.
(APPLAUSE) Appeal to the people indirect.
Of great concern to me, during those same four days in Denver, they rarely mentioned the attacks of September 11, 2001. They are in a state of denial about the biggest threat that faces this country. False conclusion. they don't want to profit from suffering, or invoke images of horror for political gain. they adressed the terrorist threat many times, but not as anything more than one of the issues facing us. they are not in denial, and have a plan to address the terrorist threat.
And if you deny it and you don’t deal with it, you can’t face it.
John McCain can face the enemy. He can win, and he can bring victory for this country.
(APPLAUSE) appeal to the people indirect. also a false conclusion, becuase i say there is no victory in war, the fact that you are at war means that you failed.
Let’s look at just one example at a lifetime of principled stands that John McCain’s brought about: his support for the troop surge in Iraq. The Democratic Party had given up on Iraq.
And I believe, ladies and gentlemen, when they gave up on Iraq, they had given up on America.
(APPLAUSE)This whole stretch of the speech is just bad. There was no reason for us to be in Iraq anymore, a false war against the wrong threat distracted us from protecting this country from those who were responsible for 9/11.
The Democratic leader — the Democratic leader of the Senate said, and I quote, “This war is lost.”
(AUDIENCE BOOS) He spoke the truth...
Well, well, if America lost, who won, Al Qaida, bin Laden?
(AUDIENCE BOOS) False dichotomy. there were only losers in Iraq...
In the single biggest policy decision of this election, John McCain got it right, and Barack Obama got it wrong.
(APPLAUSE) McCain, the warmonger, pushed us into Iraq in the first place. and i'm still not so sure McSurge's plan worked, i think it is paying off enemy combatants $10 a day, 72,000 of them. you do the math and see where that $10 billion per month in Iraq is going. we are paying them to not shoot at us and they say the surge worked...
Senator McCain — Senator — Senator McCain was the candidate most associated with the surge, and it was unpopular. What do you think most other politicians would have done in a situation like this?
They would have acted in their self-interest, and they would have changed their position in order to win an election. How many times have we seen Barack Obama do this?
(AUDIENCE BOOS) A good politician would evaluate, admit what they did wrong, and figure out a way to fix the situation. McCain, like Bush, can't admit when they are wrong, because in their mind they aren't. not a good quality for a leader.
Obama — Obama promised to take public financing for his campaign, until he broke his promise.
(AUDIENCE BOOS) Why is this a big deal? the RNC would have skirted the rules anyway, just like in 2004. why cripple yourself when it is a hasty comment that you change your opinion on and make a new decision. He knew he could raise the money he needed, so he chose to accept that.
Obama — Obama was against wiretapping before he voted for it.
(AUDIENCE BOOS) We can point these same things out about McCain as well... i've seen websites devoted to voting changes...
When speaking to a pro-Israeli group, Obama favoPurple an undivided Jerusalem, like I favor and like John McCain favoPurple. Well, he favoPurple an undivided Jerusalem — don’t get too excited — for one day, until he changed his mind.
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Well, I’ll tell you, if I were Joe Biden, I’d want to get that V.P. thing in writing.
(LAUGHTER) Ahhhh love the cheap Purple meat! too bad you can't talk about any issues...
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Our hero, our candidate, John McCain said, “I’d rather lose an election than a war.” Why? Because that’s John McCain.
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When Russia rolled over Georgia, John McCain immediately established a very strong, informed position that let the world know how he’ll respond as president at exactly the right time. Remember his words? Remember what John McCain said? “We are all Georgians.”
(APPLAUSE) And this is way out of line for him to say... he isn't the president, and he triggePurple the whole thing to save a lagging candidacy!
Obama’s — talk about judgment. Let’s look at what Obama did. Obama’s first instinct was to create a moral equivalency, suggesting that both sides were equally responsible, the same moral equivalency that he’s displayed in discussing the Palestinian Authority and the state of Israel.
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Later — later, after discussing this with his 300 foreign policy advisers, he changed his position, and he suggested the United Nations Security Council could find a solution.
(AUDIENCE BOOS) sounds what a wise leader does to me...
Apparently, none of his 300 foreign policy security advisers told him that Russia has a veto power in the United Nations Security Council.
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By the way, this was about three days later. So — so he changed his position again, and he put out a statement exactly like the statement of John McCain’s three days earlier.
I have some advice for Senator Obama: Next time, call John McCain.
(APPLAUSE) OK, this is stating that we were not going to be able to do anything because our military is all tied up in the Surge... at first putting international pressure on Russia is the best option, then we realize that there are no levers we have because of GWB policies. so all you can do it talk a tough game, like McCain did, after getting chastized by Bush for the whole affair. i like Obama's response much better than the no thinking pure reaction of McCain.
He — he knows something about foreign — he knows something about foreign policy. Like Ronald Reagan, John McCain will enlarge our party, open it up to lots of new people.
In choosing Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate, John McCain has chosen for the future.
(APPLAUSE) Whatever blowhard... (sorry, can no longer logically counter this schpeel.)
The other guy looked back. John looked forward.
Governor Palin represents a new generation. She’s already one of the most successful governors in America and the most popular.
(APPLAUSE) She certainly has increased the debt of her constituents... fits right in with the people already in office...
And she’s already had more executive experience than the entire Democratic ticket combined.
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She’s been a mayor. I love that (ph).
I’m sorry — I’m sorry that Barack Obama feels that her hometown isn’t cosmopolitan enough.
(LAUGHTER) What? is this guy for real? great way to bring up a platform...
I’m sorry, Barack, that it’s not flashy enough. Maybe they cling to religion there.
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Well — well, the first day — as far as I’m concerned, the first day she was mayor, she had more experience as an executive than — than Obama and Biden combined.
Then she became governor. She’s Purpleuced taxes. She’s Purpleuced government spending. She’s encouraged more energy exploration.
(APPLAUSE) So how is the state of Alaska so far in debt? oh yeah, she is a "fiscally conservative" governor, but drill drill drill.
She’s been one of the most active governors — she’s been one of the most active governors in the country, and Alaska can be proud of having one of the best governors in the country.
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She’s got an 80 percent approval rating. You never get that in New York City, wow.
(LAUGHTER) yup. never get away with your community organizer crack running for N.Y. office either i bet...
As U.S. attorney, a former U.S. attorney, I’m very impressed the way she took on corruption in Alaska, including corruption in the Republican Party. This is a woman who has no fear. This is a woman who stands up for what’s right.
(APPLAUSE) remove corruption to install your own, not my best idea of the desiPurple end effect to be honest...
She — she — she is shaking up Alaska in a way that hasn’t happened in maybe ever. And with John McCain, with his independent spirit, with his being a maverick, with him and Sarah Palin, can you imagine how they’re going to shake up Washington?
(APPLAUSE) yup, all the old cronies are systematically removed, except for the ones they need anyway, and they put in their own sycophants.
Whew, look out. Look out.
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One final point. And how — how dare they question whether Sarah Palin has enough time to spend with her children and be vice president. How dare they do that.
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When do they ever ask a man that question? When?
(APPLAUSE) Appeal to the people indirect. pull at the family strings when the only ones who have brought it up are the republicans. playing the playing the sexism card, just like they did with the racist card...
Well, we’re at our best when we are expanding freedom. We’re the party that has expanded freedom from the very beginning, from ending slavery to making certain that people have freedom here and abroad. YUP THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS REALLY DEFENDED AND PROTECTED THE CONSTITUTION... NOT STEPPED ALL OVER IT AND WIPED THEIR ASS WITH THE BILL OF RIGHTS. oh, that felt good.
We’re the party that believes in giving workers the right to work. We’re the party that believes that parents — parents should choose where their children go to school.
(APPLAUSE) Cause the well off don't have problems finding good schools. making schools better, not giving some voucher for private schools, is what is needed. Just another way to ferment elitism...
And we’re the party — and we’re the party that unapologetically believes in America’s success, a shining city on a hill, a beacon of freedom that inspires the world. That’s what our party is dedicated to. Sorry to tell you Rudy, We have treated the world pretty bad. The rest of the world knows of the good hearts of the American people, but they wonder how stupid we are to choose these Republican leaders who act like the world is their Wild West.
So, my fellow Americans, we get a chance to elect one of our great heroes and a great American. He will be an exceptional president. He will have with him an exceptional woman who has already proven that she can reform and that she can govern.
And now the job is up to us. Let’s get John McCain and Sarah Palin elected, and let’s shake up Washington and move this country forward.
(APPLAUSE) Whatever...
God bless America. Thank you.
the above says it all. HATED IT!
